It was just about a year ago that a city whistleblower came to journalist Jamie Kalven and attorney Craig Futterman out of concern that Laquan McDonald’s shooting a few weeks earlier “wasn’t being vigorously investigated,” as Kalven recalls. The source told them “that there was a video and that it was horrific,” he said.
Without that whistleblower—and without that video—it’s highly unlikely that Chicago Police officer Jason Van Dyke would be facing first-degree murder charges today.
“When it was first reported it was a typical police shooting story,” Kalven said, where police claim self-defense and announce an investigation, and “at that point the story disappears.” And, typically, a year or 18 months later, the Independent Police Review Authority confirms the self-defense claim, and “by then no one remembers the initial incident.”
“There are an average of 50 police shootings of civilians every year in Chicago, and no one is ever charged,” said Futterman. “Without the video, this would have been just one more of 50 such incidents, where the police blotter defines the narrative and nothing changes.”
Last December, Kalven and Futterman issued a statement revealing the existence of a dash-cam video and calling for its release. Kalven tracked down a witness to the shooting, who said he and other witnesses had been “shooed away” from the scene with no statements or contact information taken.
In February, Kalven obtained a copy of McDonald’s autopsy, which contradicted the official story that McDonald had died of a single gunshot to the chest. In fact, he’d been shot 16 times—as Van Dyke unloaded his service weapon, execution style—while McDonald lay on the ground.
The next month, the City Council approved a $5 million settlement with McDonald’s family, whose attorneys had obtained the video. They said it showed McDonald walking away from police at the time of the shooting, contradicting the police story that he was threatening or had “lunged at” cops. The settlement included a provision keeping the video confidential.
“The real issue here is, this terrible thing happened, how did our governmental institutions respond?” Kalven said. “And from everything we’ve learned, compulsively at every level, from the cops on the scene to the highest levels of government, they responded by circling the wagons and by fabricating a narrative that they knew was completely false.” To him this response is “part of a systemic problem” and preserves “the underlying conditions that allow abuse and shield abuse.”
In April, the Chicago Tribune revealed Van Dyke’s name and his history of civilian complaints—including several brutality complaints, one of which cost the city $500,000 in a civil lawsuit—none of which resulted in any disciplinary action. In May, Carol Marin reported that video from a security camera at a Burger King on the scene had apparently been deleted by police in the hours after the shooting.
“This case shows the operation of the code of silence in the Chicago Police Department,” said Futterman. “From the very start you have officers and detectives conspiring to cover up the story. The question is, why are they not being charged?”
Van Dyke’s history “also shows what happens when the police department consistently chooses not to look at patterns of abuse complaints when investigating misconduct charges,” he adds. This failure “is one of the reasons an officer like Van Dyke has an opportunity to execute a 17-year-old kid.”
Rather than acknowledging the systemic failures, Mayor Rahm Emanuel is now trying to frame the issue as the action of one bad officer, as the Tribune reports. “One individual needs to be held accountable,” he said Monday.
Kalven calls Emanuel’s “reframing” of the narrative “essentially false.” He points out that “everything we know now, the city knew from Day One. They had the officers on the scene. They knew there were witnesses. They had the autopsy, they had the video…. They maintained a false narrative about those events, and they did it for a year, when it could have been corrected almost immediately….They spent a year stonewalling any calls for transparency, any information about the case.”
He points to Cincinnati, where last summer a university officer was indicted for murder and video from his body camera was released within days following the shooting of an unarmed African-American man in a traffic stop.
“The policy in Cincinnati is that you should release within 24 hours unless there are compelling investigatory reasons to hold on longer,” said Kalven. “The policy should be that the presumption is that this is public information and it is released as quickly as can reasonably be done, except in cases where there is a genuine and very specific investigatory need to withhold it.”
That’s not the same as waiting until an investigation is concluded. Friday’s ruling that the McDonald video must be released—and the absence of any affidavit from investigators about the need to withhold it—showed that “there was absolutely no legal or investigatory impediment to releasing this” long ago.
“This was an incredible test of leadership, a major challenge to [Emanuel’s] leadership,” Kalven said. “Think how different the situation would be right now if the city had acknowledged the reality of what happened in the days or weeks after it happened. That would have built confidence.”
And instead of vague and politically self-serving calls for “healing,” it could have begun a real process of accountability of the kind necessary to start addressing the extreme alienation between police and wide segments of our communities.
Instead, with only Van Dyke indicted, it looks like he’s being sacrificed in order to protect the system that created him.
Spot on Curtis.
If the public and our political leaders really wanted to end most police civilian violent interactions then legalizing drugs, prostitution and gambling all non-violent, victimless crimes, then taxing and regulating those businesses would accomplice that goal. But America shudders at the potential end of prohibition and the promise of constitutional freedoms. Let adults be adults and let the police look for violent crime and property crime which oddly enough they are pretty good at.
What??? How about the police following the same laws that civilians are expected to follow. E.g., don’t empty your gun into ANYONE. If necessary to protect yourself, DISABLE the threat. Execution is likely not required.
Trying to turn the god-awful, apparent practice of a LOT of police in this country to kill whomever they’re p—ed at into a call for legalizing drugs, gambling, and prostitution is a blatant red herring.
What you fail to see is that legalizing consensual acts would have the effect of turning law enforcers into peace officers. Yes, in this case it may not have made any difference since Laquan (See: When a child’s name portends disaster…) was a drugged-out thieving property abuser, but it would do away with the bulk of negative police/non-police interaction, and in so doing, minimize the us VS them mentality, not to mention the cost of arresting, prosecuting, incarcerating, and supposedly rehabilitating people who are not infringing on the rights of others.
The militarization of our police is a direct result of the war on drugs, prostitution and gambling. Calling that a red herring is called deflection.
Actually, I don’t know that the militarization of US police is as strongly related to these issues as you say. So I’m not deflecting, at least not knowingly.
So if drugs, prostitution, and gambling were legal across the US, AND our police forces were de-militarized, you think the number of black civilian males killed by white policemen in this country would decline significantly?
This could actually be tested (though not likely in a “blind” study). Establish legalized “victimless” activities plus or minus de-militarization (whatever that would entail) in several cities across the US. Then follow white police killings by race.
University of Chicago… grad students of Social Science… how about it?!?
cops kill, lie, conspire, manipulate and delete evidence, they have ruined their own reputation, and should not be trusted for anything….
there is more danger in being killed by a cop then a criminal or terrorist.
the public needs to refuse to accept this,,,,
a major big change to policing has to be made….
From The Mayor on Down
What retards leave their FB’s up????
This is a cold blooded murder. It’s obvious. The civil award to the family of the victim should come out of police department union dues and police retirement funds. It is well past time for these murders to end, and also time to stop holding taxpayers accountable. Hold the lying perps responsible.
And civil payouts should NOT be tied to non-disclosure agreements. If an injured party deserves monetary award, and/or the offending party deserves punishment, then great. Do it. How has it become OK, even the practice, for an injured party to have to choose between millions of dollars OR the ability to disclose and thus perhaps stop the offender from reoffending????
I saw the video, I’ve read the articles and now even more information that has come out since the release of the video. I don’t see where the force was necessary. I feel the cop was wrong and this young man’s life was taken senselessly. Why do you as a mother and or as a father agree to take the settlement with the terms of not releasing the video or prosecution for the officer, out of justice for your child???? The only one partially innocent here is the 17 year old that’s dead. There is blood on so many people’s hands including his family. Disgusting.
Right on – The great cops need to be the ones to stand up to the bad cops and the only way to make that happen is to put the liability directly on the cop’s pension funds. You will see immediate results and the blue wall will come crashing down. We would hope that there would be some cops left after this happened though.
Rahm, police – nuff said. Civilians are the enemies. We are being occupied not served or protected
“16 shot revolver?” Check your facts Chicago Reporter
Yes, that is the important fact in this story. Glad your pea brain thought to challenge this mistake.
Pointing out one factual error doesn’t mean that a person is dismissing all other facts as unimportant. And if it’s such a simple “pea brain” distinction, then why did the writer make the error in the first place?
That appears nowhere in the text of the article. Why did you quote it? It states he was shot 16 times and that one officer unloaded his revolver. Reading comprehension is very important.
Facts should never interfere with news, or history, or government policy, or education, etc. This is a good example of careless editing and dimishes the reliability of the story, the writer, and the news outlet. That said, the entire incident was nevertheless tragic and inexcusable.
Standard police issue firearms today are 9 mm, sixteen shot, semi-automatic pistol. The days of the “six-shooter” are long gone. So, the Chicago Reporter is right.
Semi-automatic pistols are not revolvers.
I didn’t say they were. Edward McNamara said that. If you read our exchange properly you would have picked that up.
I can see that the Trolls have shown up. That’s usually what happens after all the decent, concerned people have expressed their emotions in an incident like this. R.I.P. Laquan.
You said that the Chicago Reporter is right. It’s not. If you can’t understand that, you aren’t very bright.
Did you even read the article?
I was commenting on Edward McNamara’s Post.
He mentioned “revolver”. And, yes, smart-ass I did read the article. Try concentrating on Laquan instead of criticizing people who are outraged about how the City of Chicago treats its’ citizens.
One more comment for you. Sieg Heil Larry!!
The cops are get away with murder of men women and children they have become nothing but a bunch of gang bangers
I have no sympathy for a city that elects an Israeli to its highest office.
Get a job.
I have a job. It’s writing yawn in response to mean, pent-up men who think they are smarter than they are.
I’m guessing that such a career doesn’t pay very well, probably because it requires no more than a first-grade education.
Sadly you are correct. More supply than demand…
Don’t worry. Those of your ilk may soon be successful in raising the pay for such work to $15 per hour, regardless of the economic laws of supply and demand.
Wow! Did you come up with that on your own? If so, IC1MORDUMPERSN.
We must pray for those who continue to harm others. States Attorney Anita Alvarez must step down. She waited until all the petitions were due for the election to bring charges. Perhaps dozen lawyers would have stepped into the race for her position, had she done her job and brought charges earlier, to show that Law and Order in Chicago is two-faced. The cover-up by the mayor (to get re-elected) , the chief of police (not to step down when asked by 19 Aldermen), and the other patrolmen, who stood and watched, and their supervisors who all saw the police video. We pray for the families. This is a tragic gripping story. This while Black Lives Matter was ridiculed and the country did not see that Chicago has a racist problem. And then the media criticized “Chiraq.” Let us pray for all those still in denial. Let us pray for peace.
Fk peace. Let’s pray for retribution. There’s some payback due here.
Eye for an eye right???? Ridiculous comment. Your part of the problem if you think you solve violence with violence.
It has been stated that prior to being shot, the “kid” may have been robbing cars / slashing tires and had PCP in his system. Now, those “crimes” don’t necessitate dying as punishment, but they certainly put a person in a position to have something bad happen to him.
The police chance of getting shot by a police officer while going to church is MUCH less than what this kid was doing. His poor choices put him in a bad position, and he died due to the consequences of his own actions.
What does anything you say have to do with the article? The video should have been released within a couple of days. If the guy was crazy on PCP and threatening the officer with imminent bodily harm, then it probably would have been obvious. But no. One cop shot the guy 16 times while other officers seeing the same “threat” felt no need to shoot even once. But they did then try to cover up for their guilty one. And then the commanding officers stonewalled. And then the City did, and the state’s attorney. That was the point of the article, not whether Laquan McDonald was a perfect human being or a confused young man who overdid the angel dust.
The police ALWAYS say “there was a trace…” of something in his blood. A “trace” means exactly that “a trace”. It does NOT mean he was under the influence of the PCP. Traces of Marijuana can show up in your blood up to three months after its’ use. PCP can stay in your urine up to seven days. With heavy users it can last for several months. Plus, the news reporter didn’t say if it was in his blood, urine, or saliva. The results will vary in each of the bodily fluids.
Laquan McDonald did NOT exhibit any symptoms of PCP intoxication. People on PCP don’t fall down after one shot from a 9 mm pistol. They become “Supermen” while actively on the drug. I know someone who broke free from handcuffs while on PCP. He actually broke the handcuffs!! That is unheard of. That’s to give you an example of what the drug can do to a person. Laquan was running AWAY from the cops. People on PCP usually ATTACK cops because they go crazy from its’ effects. Gees, with “witnesses” like you the State doesn’t need a judge, jury, and prosecutor. All they need is you! Then, they can trow away the key.
P.S. I hope that if you ever get arrested and charged with a major crime, that you have a witness like you to convict without seeing the evidence. Cheers!
Its obvious that you have no understanding of what a single round can do to a person when it makes contact with the heart, lungs, brain, or a major blood vessel.
If that’s the case then why were 16 needed? -13 while he was on the ground.
One more bad apple off the streets is what you’re saying. OK. Let’s get a bunch of bad apples off the street with him, such as all the cops involved, and all the politicians and city officials who delayed the case. One bad apple down. 20 bad apples to go. No problem. I agree with you whole heartedly.
Except for the excessive payout, I count this as a win-win.
The fastest way to break this police cover-up mentality is to make any payouts come out of the police pension fund. All of the great cops will now be highly motivated to quickly clean out the bad cops and the bad supervisors.
The autopsy came up negative for drugs and alcohol…
Which is largely irrelevant anyway; it’s just another “cop out.” Literally..as they basically try to tarnish a suspect’s post death image any way possible to illustrate them deserving of judge, jury, and executioner on site unseen death penalty.
“Oh I get it; there was a “trace” of cocaine in his blood; he was a nig..hooligan thug.”
No, HARDLY. What I am saying is that the kid made bad choices where he put HIMSELF in a position for bad things to happen. Sometimes, not always, but SOMETIMES, the repercussions for a bad decision can be way out of line with what was done. That is the case here. Just because the outcome was bad, it does not mean that the kid didn’t set himself up for the possible outcome.
Uh, I’m pretty sure he’s dead because a cop unloaded on him 16 times.
Yes, that is what killed him. No, the question is, what actions put him in a confrontation with those police in the first place?
He arrived at the scene, and within a few seconds was shooting the kid. He had no idea what was going on, and acted. The other officers that saw this and did nothing should also be facing murder charges.
The other offficers inaction should be evidence enough that none of the officer felt at risk.
He didn’t have any drugs in his system, please stop spreading untruths.
http://invisible.institute/news/autopsy-of-laquan-mcdonald His autopsy. Last page. Please stop spreading untrue statements about PCP in his system.
And maybe shot once to stop him, but 16 times as Laquan is in the fetal position? I can’t believe you find any good in this LEO’s actions.
Keep telling yourself that; do you think your God will buy it?
Myself I even thought there was potential “suicide by cop” situation written on this one, before seeing the video, largely as the kid(he was only 17) was taken away from his mom twice as reports her boyfriend was abusive. That’s by age 5…of which then two of the foster homes he was in, he was ALSO taken back from as he was sexually molested! Apparently he then was living with a grandparent for a bit but they passed away so back into custodial care, and was a ward of the state when shot by cops. So whatever you want to think “Mr. Christian” about his relative risk of being on the streets vs. in pious sanctuary in the pews or confessional booth on a Monday night, pretty clear the system chewed him up and spit him out; this kid hardly had a chance at all in life, not unlike so many.
And then comes the reporting on the incident: the obligatory “Drugs in system”…NIG, “Suspected of committing ____”…GER! -That’s all folks! -Life written off just another poorly kept statistic; why won’t “these people” learn actions have consequences; isn’t Fallon on yet?
Meanwhile kid on ground only had a knife which they’d identified and who backed away from cops as they approached him not the other way round, and 13 of the 16 shots that riddled his body were pumped into his wretched soul as he lay in death throes bleeding out on the cold pavement. Then of course no charges for anyone till an internal whistleblower comes forth and tells the “post-Fergilicious” “Black Lives Money Matters” media there’s video of the incident and the kid had a full clip of ammo blown through his corpse. Freedom of Information request fought tooth and nail every step of the way till finally a lawsuit and over a year later a judge orders video released, and the day before they decide to charge the cop with murder. Otherwise cover it up like every other of the 50-something police killings in that city each year which never see the light of day…unless of course there’s an incriminating footage. Film at 11..months later. Oh, got lost in the chaos and transit too bad!
The usual MO is to launch a year and a half “investigation” by which point no one cares they let the cop off with a “I was scared” murder self-defense.
Now, your response doesn’t necessitate the loss of your soul as punishment, but you certainly put yourself in a position to have something bad happen to it.
I am not bring god into it at all. OBVIOUSLY the officer over-reacted when he shot this kid, that part is not in question. The issue is, this was not just some random kid walking home from the ice cream parlor. His own actions put him in conflict with the police. While the repercussions for his choices are extreme – well beyond what should have happened – it was the kid himself who put himself in the situation to begin with.
” Now, those “crimes” don’t necessitate dying as punishment,”
You should have stopped there. Instead you proved yourself an idiot.
Well, you just proved yourself one by your own comments. You are probably one of those whiney types that does not believe anyone is responsible for anything bad that happens to them. People can make bad decisions and sometimes those decisions have consequences that are much more severe than they should be. IF you live life as a criminal, your are much more likely to cross paths with police with a negative interaction – leading to an increase in the possibility that something bad will happen.
I guess actual logic is not your strong suit.
“sometimes those decisions have consequences that are much more severe than they should be”
Thanks for admitting that Van Dork committed murder.
I accept your surrender.
You are a m0r0n if that is all you can get out of the comment. There was no “surrender” and the fact that all you can see is that is telling of your lack of intellect. It also shows because you cannot seem to admit that the kid made poor choices – HE put himself in a situation to get in conflict with the police officer.
You obviously are one of those that blames others for your own inadequacies and don’t understand anything about personal responsibility.
What a m0r0n you are? What “surrender” – you just keep giving a pass to a criminal that faced repercussions overly severe for his crime. If he had not been a criminal, he would have had that deadly interaction with the police. His own actions precipitated the outcome.
Have only read a couple of articles, I have viewed the dashcam video.
I am not a lawyer (which will become, very clear, very shortly)
I’m not from Illinois.
My questions are these;
Is this officer being charged with “1st degree” murder?
(because it doesn’t look like 1st degree to me, to my ‘Joe Citizen’ eyes.)
Are there “lesser included charges…manslaughter, negligent homicide…?
OR; Is this another case of ‘overcharging’ the officer,
Consequently, when he gets off,
No accountability, again?
Anyone out there, knows whats up?
good questions and insightful
You don’t shoot a deer 16 times! You don’t unload your clip into a person lying on the ground. This was murder…and if you ever become a lawyer, I sure wouldn’t want you to defend me!
If you are an idiot, or drunk or otherwise impaired, you might shoot a deer 16 times.
Then if Game and Wildlife, have a problem with that, they have to “prove” it.
The officer in St..Louis was overcharged, George Zimmerman was overcharged,
and consequently not held accountable for the what should have been obvious,
A lanky, goofy, teenage boy, talking on a cellphone, to a girlfriend in the rain.
The Officer didn’t shoot a deer, he shot a man.
Its taken the DA a year to charge, I am asking a legal question. Is she coming correct?
You want me on your jury, I’m your 2nd best friend, Your innocent until proven guilty.
Re read my post!
Both Zimmerman and Wilson absolutely deserved to be charged. Wilson perhaps deserved to be exonerated…though likely penalized internally or fired for poor policing (anytime an unarmed suspect is shot and killed is basically a FAIL; self defense is rarely an excuse for a supposedly trained cop against someone who doesn’t otherwise have a weapon themselves); you’re a cop with tools at your disposal; kick their *ss!
Zimmerman though should’ve gone to jail; he instigated the situation when told not to and brought the gun into the mix on a public street. Even if a scuffle that to me is a duty to retreat, otherwise one has to contend by his same logic Trayvon was legitimately acting in self-defense and would have been even more justified snatching the piece and wasting Zimmerman, since the guy approached him with a gun. At the very least, George Z. is culpable for manslaughter as otherwise anyone can just institute vigilante justice whenever they feel. For someone who aspired to be a cop, he could’ve kept minimum distance as well announced he was with neighborhood watch…but ultimately he had little right to take the law into his own hands; one thing if some guy’s trying to break into your house; quite another you going out to confront someone not immediately in an act and you bringing a gun.
Exactly, Ive maintained that if Treyvon had been two years younger, He might have broken into a dead run, yelling and screaming,(stranger danger!)
and made it to his Dads girlfriendshouse 150 yds. away.
But at his age, he thought about it too long (Why is this creep following me?)
The Prosecutors threw the case.
Zimmerman was tried in the press and the prosecutor was forced to file charges. Was he wrong in what he did probably, was treyvon wrong in what he did probably, but the burden of proof is beyond any reasonable doubt. That is a very high burden to prove with one person protected by the right to remain silent and the other cannot provide testimony. As for Wilson, he was justified to use deadly force. Michael Brown was on a crime spree, he attempted to get the officers weapon. Wilson had a duty to protect the public from what Brown might have done had he taken to gun from him. It is not always that easy to kick a person’s a$$, a one point in time police officer had to be a certain height and weight. but hiring women and smaller males make the ability kick their a$$es not possible. If a police officer is on the losing end of a fight and the perp can possible take their weapon that creates a situation of imminent threat to serious bodily injury or death. and that is all you need to use deadly force as a police officer.
May well have been the case when Wilson close to Brown; though still in squad car. Myself I don’t buy it when Brown was away from the vehicle and he still had to use the firearm knowing the kid was a problem but otherwise unarmed. You’ve got pepper spray, Taser, your nightstick, your car, backup, and then your sidearm as a last resort. Take aim and shoot something likely nonlethal. Worried about the kid getting the gun? Fire some warning shots or at his legs then drop the clip..otherwise its actually pretty hard to get out of someone’s hand without getting killed, and I’d have less issue with it had Brown been on top of him. Again, I also think Wilson likely didn’t deserve anything for murder, but still an unarmed kid is dead. Far as Brown’s crime spree, he basically shoplifted or at most it was a strong arm situation.; that’s not someone holding up a bank with an AK.
My heart is with the officer. I have no idea how those police officers deal with those uncivilized types on a daily basis, just incredible!
It’s ok, the next Trump rally is around the corner. Maybe you can burn some crosses there to express your sadness.
Why would blacks burn crosses? The only time I’ve ever seen a cross burned was when a democrat did it, and that’s the truth.
The truth is, is that you are a flaming dumbass.
What are you like 90 and you saw some Dixiecrat Klansmen or something? Course how many crosses have been burned in the last 50 years black people have been the most reliable Democrat voting bloc, largely cause the modern GOP was forged out of Goldwater opposition to Civil Rights flipping the country and NIxon/Reagan Southern Strategy. Keep telling and selling your igno-pseudo-history though as only people dumb as you are stupid enough to buy it.
He’s a libertarian. Ignore him. Everyone else does.
Yeah, I’ve read some of your “civilized” postings. Maybe police should investigate you. Or, maybe you feel you’re enough of a government boot-licker to keep you safe…
And, for the record, the Republican party claims to be the party of “small government”, but you sure do seem to luuuuv you some government, so long as it keeps the undesirables down.
Republicans ARE about small government, and CONTROLLED government, and most of the comments that say that the police are necessary but out of control are republicans. The liberals are the ones that are supporting the cop here. Democrats see it’s a black kid and just don’t care.
Huffing all that Rand has damaged your brain if you think it’s primarily republicans who are critical of police shootings.
Really? Because Im pretty sure its the other way around. Which news sites are you reading?
Wow! -Are you living in Bizarro world? Or is this just another manifestation of the right wing science and reality distortion sphere…maybe come full circle? -Cause yours is the exact opposite of the truth!
When have the republicans ever had a small government. Every republican president has grown the government exponentially. They are only concerned about small government when they are out of power or the white house, like now!
Lets do away with the labels and just call it a murder by a criminal cop. When we divide ourselves into blue and red, demo or repub ….who wins?
You libertarians are sure mixed up.
Those police officers deal with those uncivilized types by going out for a drink after their shifts, with themselves, and laughing at the n$ they have killed in that shift.
Those police officers deal with those uncivilized types by deciding how to lie and coverup on their police reports, going to Burger King and deleting surveillance of their uncivilized murder of children, etc.
Those police officers deal with those uncivilized types by wishing that God had given them the intelligence to work in a “nice civilized” suburb, but alas.
Only an uncivilized thug would shot a child 16 times.
My heart goes out to the children of this uncivilized animal, who now know that their father is just another murderous criminal.
if it was your kid your heart would be with the cop what drugs are you on
In 1938 the country decided on professional policing. The first professional Police Force was established, and not long after, the criminals took it over. The first laws that criminals passed were the Sullivan Laws, and they are still in effect. The law established that gun ownership was a privilege that could be handed out for reason, and that most people did not have a reason. The problem was that the laws were passed by a criminal, and only his goons got permits. It worked well for the government.
Then the police forces ceased to be about serving and protecting, and more about crime and making money. This is not conjecture, but cold hard fact.
Now people in these cities are so used to being controlled that they submit to authority blindly. In a video where a cop was beating, and I mean closed fisted beating the tar out of a kid that was 17, a cop walked away from the beating and started demanding that people disburse and leave them to the assault – AND MOST WENT! They were beating a kid held over a police car, in handcuffs, screaming to stop hurting him, and people walked off.
Police are not gods. They are not our masters or our lords. They are servants of the law. They are not there to punish, but to find the person who committed a crime and deliver him safely to the jail where he will face a judge. They are NOT your friend, they are NOT your enemy, they are what they are. They are force, and that is all. Remember that when you are facing one,.. he is not your friend, he is the man who will decide if you go to jail or not, and every single question he asks you is to the end of putting you in jail. Every. One. Of. Them.
So when you see a cop violating his duties, do not walk away… FILM it. If it is bad enough, stop him. If he is acting under color of law, then he is not a cop anymore, but just another criminal.
I’ll give you a heads up on how the police officers should deal with it. If you feel you are overwhelmed: TAKE A VACATION; if you still feel overwhelmed: GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
Behavior such as this cop exhibited makes every single great cop’s job all that much more difficult.
Ya I dont know how cops can shoot someone 16 times like the way it was done and have people like you who have no problem defending the cops thinking this is normal cop behavior. Just incredible.
The official line of “well this was just one bad cop” would not be quite so laughable if it weren’t for the wagon-circling, lying, perjuring, and report-tampering that at least several other people had to be parties to, in order for this to have been so covered up.
I’m glad we have investigative journalists. I’m sure it’s no coincidence that the best ones are in Chicago and in Washington DC.
Yes one bad cop who had a reputation of misconduct but was still allowed to remain of the force. The police command should have seen this coming based on the killers pass record. Yet all was covered up and he was allowed to keep his badge and bad attitude and let loose on the citizenry. More then one head needs to roll here.
My heart is with the citizens. I have no idea how those citizens deal with those uncivilized cop types on a daily basis, just incredible!!!
It is amazing that the only people describing the citizenry as “those uncivilized types” are the police themselves, and those who believe everything a cop says. Cops have been doing this to minorities for decades. Dash cams, body cams, and and smart phones are just now bringing their brutality to light. But still, when the only people who see the videos are the ones employing the corrupt cops, these types of incidents just drown in the bureaucratic muck. On the rare occasion where the general public actually gets to see clearly the brutality brought down on Black and Brown Americans, folks like you think the cops actions are justified. When #BlackLivesMatter protesters are shouting in the streets, they are not just shouting at the system. They’re also shouting at you…
Sorry POS had to like his own comment…lol
Yuo have a nasty Jew Mayor.. enough said
You’re an idiot, sir. Go back under your bridge.
Was his claim inaccurate?
What does being Jewish has to do with anything?
It’s not that he’s Jewish. He’s an Israeli.
No one is above the law– even the police. Sadly, we never learn. In the 1800s, England’s Lord Acton said “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” The Chicago police are living proof of this, even today. This officer–and those who tried to suppress evidence–must be held accountable. If his superiors had access to this video immediately after the shooting, why didn’t they do something? This is shameful. The officer’s actions, and the inaction of his superiors, will only serve to make the streets more dangerous for citizens and police.
The arrests need to flow from the officer who shot the kid, and all the
way up the chain of commend to everyone that saw the video and did
nothing. It’s called Accessory to a Crime. The Chicago PD wasn’t even
investigating it! The FBI was.
I agree. All the way to the top.
Its funny how its always the FBI (Federal government) in this case that always has to swoop in and save the day and its always the state and local government that turns out being the bad guys. Thats states rights for ya.
The rest of the cops in the video are accomplices and should be treated as such.
The six most corrupt police forces in our nation are Chicago, New York, California, New Orleans, New Jersey and Washington DC. ALL are anti-gun, ALL are filled with criminal police, and ALL are dangerous to even visit.
Well I have lived in Los Angeles since 1994 and it is certainly not dangerous to visit. Living here has been fine.
You sound like my mother-in-law trying to convince me not to stay in the states.
That’s the irony isn’t it? -Every stereotype that white Americans have against black ones, the world has against white Americans; to foreigners the “Ugly American” is white…yet black as viewed by certain American whites. Contrast so juicy and delicious!
you live in a strange world where everything is stacked against you despite all evidence to the contrary. buck up and stop whining.
Not whining at all; actually trying to do something about. This article was only about one man killed by police of which they NEVER go to jail for. Contrast this with here in the “Land of the Free” we have 1 out of every 4 people locked up worldwide, yet with only 4% the global population and still crime through the roof. What’s more though, cops kill roughly 1100 people in the US every year; were we to have a per capita rate similar to European nations, this would be 5-20 people per year or otherwise a rounding error compared to us as we’re two orders of magnitude greater! Example though, our cops kill at a rate 3,800% higher than in Germany, at a rate 21,400% (Yes that’s 214 times greater) than police in England. For instance, British police have killed one unarmed person(a knife in this case) since 2008; here the past year statistics available(2013), cops have killed nearly 600 who’ve not had a gun in their possession. Course obviously our stats way skewed since our criminals do have guns and theirs by and large don’t but ultimately much of this comes down to mainly differences in training; there they are only allowed to use lethal force as an absolute last resort; even first shots if taken must be warning then aimed for non-fatal area(cause these men are supposed to be trained professionals able to take someone down without killing them) meanwhile here we’re totally Keystone “fire when fear”. And this isn’t just for black people as if you’re white in the US you are still nearly 25 times as likely to be killed by police than the European average! Meanwhile politicians go ape bananas about “keeping us safe” from terror…yet far more people are killed every year by lightning. What’s more if we truly are “at war” then in comparison places over there in Europe lost thousands nightly in bombing raids every day of the week and we shake in our boots over a hundred or so a decade which is exactly what terrorists want. Again meanwhile cops kill those 1100 a year which, in fairness, only pails in comparison to the million and a half people we’ve lost in this country to guns since 1970! This nearly twice what we’ve lost in all the wars in our entire history! (which worse should be noted the primary causes of death were first by disease, then artillery/explosive devices well ahead of guns)! So perhaps this is “whining” but can’t really argue with the stats.
The cops did this for years killing people white and black then cover it up now with video they cant but the sure lie ( I was scare ) that the magic word
If I were a Chicago tax payer I would be livid over having to pay taxes to support this corrupt law enforcement system and use taxes to pay large litigation or out of court settlements. I will assure anyone that the fastest, most effective way to immediately institute changes in this corrupt police system is to make all lawsuit payments come directly from police pension funds. Make the people responsible for the blue shield circled wagons pay out of their own pockets. This would immediately cause decent, law abiding cops to turn in bad cops so that the risk of losing pension funds goes down. Policing needs to begin from the inside out and the entire culture has to change. Hit them where it hurts – in the pension fund.
That’s a really interesting idea. It’s hard to believe it wouldn’t come up in all these conversations. If anyone with power to change things hears it, it isn’t being acknowledged. There’s got to be a better way than socking it to taxpayers who didn’t do anything. The idea is the taxpayers will put pressure on “the city” …but that ain’t gonna happen. It never does.
As someone that lives in Chicago, I broke out into a sweat when I read this. Just brilliant. We are so heavily taxed and I feel really uneasy walking around at night and I live in a safe, northside neighborhood. I used to adore this city but it seems beyond repair right now. Denver, here I come.
I couldn’t get the he** out of Chicago fast enough……………I did my 17 year tour of “duty”……
Spot on Marc! Me and my brother have been saying the same thing about paying lawsuits out of their own pension fund. And I can guarantee these murders will drop considerably once they have to pay out of their own money. And the legal system must start throwing the book at the thugs with badges.
This incident calls for a U.S. Justice Department federal investigation; the kind they had in Ferguson, Missouri. Anything short of that will be a “white wash”.
And, for starters Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, the police commissioner, city prosecutor, police chief, the Grand Jury who saw the video, all of the street cops at the scene who lied during their Grand Jury testimony, and the City of Chicago itself for demanding, as part of the monetary settlement for the “wrongful death suit” for Laquan McDonald, a confidentiality agreement that prevented the facts from coming out should be indicted. ALL OF THE FORTHCOMING CHARGES THAT INEVITABLY WILL COME OUT OF THE INVESTIGATION SHOULD BE FELONIES; MORE THAN ONE COUNT FOR EACH PARTY INVOLVED!!!
They should lock them all up and throw away the key.
The people living in the City of Chicago are living in a POLICE STATE! Where is the democracy? There is none. And, to think the U. S. government on the City, State, and Federal level accuse al Qaeda, ISIS, Syria’s Assad, and countries like Iran and North Korea of having totalitarian regimes, and that we (the U.S. Government) call for their overthrow. After incidents like this we should be ashamed to even lift our eyes and accuse them of any wrong doing. The City of Chicago is a disgrace to every free people around the world. It’s no wonder that the entire world hates America.
And, as a special note to all the refugees who want to come to America to get away from Assad and ISIS, you better think twice before you come here. Because, this is the way our government treats its’ minorities. Think about it, and go somewhere else where democracy is practiced.
This entire incident is unbelievable.
1. As for an investigation — not happening! Dept of Justice is a Cabinet post of the President. Like me som Obama, but I am a realist. Rahm Emanuel was President Obama’s Chief of Staff before he became mayor. Soooo…
2. As for Syrian Refugees coming to America; even Chicago police can’t hold a candle to he brutality of ISIL — but not by much…
I guess most of us have forgotten about “Serpico”, “The LA Ramparts Station fiasco”, “Mark Furman”, “The Cleveland Police Corruption Scandal of 1995”, “The Philly 39th District Corruption scandal”, “The Miami River Cops scandal”, “The New Orleans Killer Cop scandal” “Amadou Diallo”, “Sean Bell”, “Abner Louima”,”Patrick Dorismond”, “Rodney King”, “Oscar Grant”, “Timothy Stansbury”, “Jonny Gammage” and the list goes on and on. These are not just a few bad apples, this is indicative of a “mind set”.
The Police stopped being a force that served the community a long time ago. They are now AN OCCUPYING PARAMILITARY FORCE! Their “Chief” has 4 Stars, like a General. They have Captains, Lieutenants, Sargents and Corporals. They have Special Forces (SWAT) and APCs (Armored Personnel Carriers). They have grenades and fully automatic weapons along with high-tech crowd control devices. They have KILLED UNARMED CITIZENS so many times that I have lost count!
The police have ALWAYS been the pos you see today. They are modern day slave patrols – with the Supreme Court-given rights to treat all of us as less than human.
And then we pay their salaries!!
It’s not even that; even if and when they don’t kill, they all but destroy lives with the numbers we have incarcerated in our prison system. Some of this is on black communities though too; senseless crime is no form of legitimate protest and is completely counterproductive as senseless only adds to the vicious spiral downward; every black man that has ever picked up a gun will ill intent has had a hand in getting these kids killed as he himself does in willfully becoming a caged animal; a lower status in many than being a slave particularly when partly by choice; rage against the system and the ghetto, but make sure its organized and politically targeted as otherwise is all for not. Is it hard out there? -Most certainly, but people have got to learn first to take care of their own and try to do whatever they can to live with purpose.
I am still hoping, someone can answer my question.
Is this officer being “Overcharged” ?
With a charge that cannot be proved without a reasonable doubt?
Me (the non – lawyer) can see the “Pirouette” causing an Officer (any officer) to fire his gun,
However, after the first couple or three or four (explainable?) shots, do the next twelve shots,
Get you to Pre-meditated murder?
Or is it manslaughter, negligent homicide…?
The Pirouette, as you call it was due to him being shot!(SMH)
someone else has mentioned that to me. It was not clear on the website I viewed.
You might be right, but either way, he never crossed that dividing line!
I just read the autopsy report.
No PCP… No Alcohol. No drugs.
This whole thing looks bad.
A lot of people need to be fired over this, and some need to be criminally prosecuted.
The main problem for that dirty pig is that the juvenile was moving away from him and the pig moved towards the juvenile before unloading his manhood stimulator. The pig was not under any threat and actually closed distance to the obviously-to-everyone-else-in-the-world-guy-in-trouble.
Actually, no. Definition of Premeditated Murder “The crime of wrongfully and intentionally causing the death of another human being (also known as murder) after rationally considering the timing or method of doing so, in order to either increase the likelihood of success, or to evade detection or apprehension.. The first two shots fired dropped the suspect, then there was a pause (premeditation could be as short as a couple of seconds). Seconds later, 14 other shots were fired. So “timing and method,” and “the “increasing the likelihood success,” applies here. Then the cop systematically lied, erased evidence, and recruited other officers in collusion of his false narrative (false police reports); which allows the “…evade detection or apprehension…” part of the definition to be applied.
Best outcome, all those guys he may have put in prison get a lifetime of retribution on this guy.
First three shots are not explainable, unless the officer knew the kid had a gun hidden in his back that he could fire with the blink of his eye
this is one of many charges to come.
They should have drug tested him, and confiscated his computer to see if he was a white supremacist, or some other form of racist. My guess is the way he murdered this kid, was pure and evil hatred.
“Hoods and Badges: 2006 FBI Report Warned Of White Supremacists Infiltrating America’s Police Force”.
Come on you lazy media, do your job and expose these cops for what they are.
Just wondering.. is the double entry wound for #7 just a typo or was it placed there as an unknown?
Probably a mistake.
Of the 16 wounds indicated in the drawing, all match up an entrance with either an exit or a bullet recovery, except for #7. #1 and #14 both have only single arrows, presumably because the entrance and recovery locations were physically very close together.
Only #7 shows a discrepancy of two “entrance” circles, so I agree that is probably a simple documentation error during autopsy. But whatever the explanation for that discrepancy, clearly the guy was shot full of holes. I would guess that autopsy photographs could be used to confirm the drawing and possibly correct the one mistake.
It is painfully obvious that this “cop” would have gotten away with this without that video. No wonder black people are so angry. This probably happens a lot, just like they are saying.
It’s time for McCarthy to go. He is a disgrace to the Force.
He needs to take that sorryas of a mayor with him.
Where is CHRIS CHRISTIE HE BLAME PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR THE POLICE KILLING AND THE BLACK LIVES MATTER, CHRISTIE COME OUT and SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN GOOD AT PLAYING THE RACE CARD.
Huh? Incoherent try again.
The cover up needs to be investigated by the DOJ and FBI. Obviously there have been violations of civil rights and other laws that should be prosecuted to the fullest extant. The public deserves to know who knew what and when they knew it. Emanuel and Obama’s friendship aside this deserves and demands the highest level of scrutiny…
The entire city of Chicanery should be indicted for covering the murder of this 17 years old.
It is a cover up from the top on down, Rahm did not want it publicized because it was doing the election. Please somebody look into this…this is literally someone saying don’t believe your lying eyes!
This really would have sunk rahm’s reelection bid. No wonder he didn’t release it. His statement seems contrite even more so when it took a year to bring charges against the officer and he actively fought against the video’s release. Notice how he says we must bring this one person to justice. It may be more than just one person.
Rahm covered this up big all because he was in a tight re-election. He should resign and so should the CPD Police Chief. Thank God I left that city. I just wish it hadn’t taken as long as it took for me to get the he** out……..
The people of Chicago, specifically the black people of Chicago should have realize long before this incident and cover-up that Mayor Rahm is an untrustworthy POS. Scum they should never support regardless of party and or propaganda. His actions tell you all you need to know about him, Any black(s) who supported Rahm are stupid fools who aren’t paying attention.
…except Republicans have proven to be POS too…for Blacks it is the lesser of two evils supported by the racists and their white supremacy polices. Even now, most on here likely do not give a chit about the murdered Blacks. They are conservatives who want to take the office from Rahm…Rahm is a POS…ALL Republicans are POS. For Blacks it can be damned if you do damned if you don’t. But, history has proven one thing, injustice doesn’t just stop at one individual or class…your chickens will come home to roost.
Did a single city council member ask…why are we signing off on this?
Yep, but they didn’t care. They knew what it was for.
Great article, hope a little Watergate will follow, with you help.
For anyone who believes that “Conspiracy Theories” but always be wrong, that the people who claim government misconduct must always be wrong, pay attention to this quote:
“And from everything we’ve learned, compulsively at every level, from the cops on the scene to the highest levels of government, they responded by circling the wagons and by fabricating a narrative that they knew was completely false.”
Upon seeing a situation that they recognized would damage them, the Chicago cops instantly started creating a cover story, from the shooing away of witnesses to the careful deletion of the CC cam footage from the adjacent Burger King.
Governments lie–and so do their employees–to avoid embarrassment. Always question the official narrative!
I learned that in college: “QUESTION AUTHORITY!”
They cover up because they know they are all murderers and have done the same thing. Un-American thugs. The same as any criminal gang. Scum. And they deserve to be punished severely. How many lives have they ruined? Ruin theirs.
The idea that Rahm Emanual would stand at a podium and volunteer that he had NOT seen the video of the shooting, is just despicable. Who the eff is he trying to fool? That’s about as believable as the notion that it’s sheer coincidence that a murder charge is brought on the very same day that the video is ORDERED released. Rahm, you slippery sonofabitch. You gotta go.
So the next mayor will magically fix the rotten corrupt racist CPD. Really?
Well it’s already concluded that this one will not, so at least there is hope in a replacement.
Now, I understand WHY the family did not want the video released, it was part of the settlement agreement. ‘Not sure what this says about the family and their attorney…does not seem they were interested in justice for their son.
Even justice wouldn’t bring back their son.
Or perhaps as Chicago residents, they already knew the likelihood of a cop being charged with murder, or any charges, were close to nil. At the time they signed the agreement, it is highly likely that the family did not know that this reporter and lawyer were investigating on the street, and working to get the video released. I would be very careful before condemning the family, who, might I remind you, had just had their young son executed the Fall before.
Or as a mother or father, would you like to see images of your child being ‘executed’ running on TV feeds all day?
SOMEONE SHOULD BLOW THAT PRECINCT UP… IF THESE DEVIL COPS CAN’T GET THEIR HOUSE IN ORDER, THEN THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE ONE.
just start putting caps in all cops heads, it is a war against the people and the pigs need to be stopped by any means necessary.
Better be careful what you write online, you may get a friendly visit from a representative of your friendly police state…just saying
Chicago is a cesspool of corruption. Countless murders, failing finances, huge unfunded liabilities and obligations that will bankrupt the city.
This is a terrible murder, and hopefully justice will be served.
What if the victim was Hispanic? Would this have received the same amount of press?
I don’t know but I would hope that any person (regardless of color) would receive justice under similar circumstances.
Hope in one hand an whatever in the other and see which one fills up quicker
Cameras on every cop and civilian review groups is the only way to start ending this nonsense in America.
The cops always have money for tanks and flash grenades. Don’t allow another purchase until cameras are in place.
Look if you want to fix a problem you start by admitting there is a problem.
Yes we have a drug war problem, end the drug wars.
it’s time to get the Feds involved. there is room for a lot more charges.
The Feds created this mess with their war on drugs, bringing them in will only cause more cover ups and spin.
White lies matter…
THAT is the problem.
Too bad that the mayor isn’t White.
I’m no lawyer but it seems that the problem will not be solved until everyone who knew about the coverup is charged, probably by the feds. Conspiracy to commit murder, criminal negligence, dereliction of duty, obstruction of justice. Something significant and criminal.
There needs to be a lot more people being indicted including Anita Alvarez.
Yep, she had the video for over a year and did nothing, why isn’t she being indicted?
This seems to be the new tactic charge the police officer with a charge that doesn’t fit the crime and they will eventually walk after trial. These prosecutors are a big part of the problem. They wait before charging police with crimes and help rig the system. Prosecutors work too closely with police to be effective. That position should not be in the hands of a single individual. There should be an independent judicial body of individuals with equal vote who need to come to consensus in their determination of charges.
First degree seemed a little out there. It has the benefit of looking “tough on police crime” with the added “benefit” of leading to an almost certain acquittal when it doesn’t rise to the standard of first-degree.
I’m definitely no lawyer, but I was under the impression, however, that some states allowed juries to select a lesser charge if the crime didn’t meet the standards of the greater. So a jury could reject first degree and go with second degree? I don’t know if 1) I understand that correctly or 2) if Illinois is a state that allows for that.
systemic problems require systemic remedies.
Yea ending the war on drugs, then disarm police.
And start prosecuting them, plus stop allowing their buddies in the prosecutors office to play defense attorney instead of doing their job. Start firing and disbarring prosecutors who obviously throw cases would be a good start.
I know its hard to see, but cops are victims of the war on drugs as well. It’s not us or them, the problem is the federal
Govs drug prohibition policies that drive this mess, and created a system of mass incarceration. We have to end the war on drugs now it should be the biggest issue of 2016.
I’m opting for climate change as the primary. If the Earth goes, we needn’t worry about small matters such as justice.
You’ll also note that the privatized prisons are now holding about 500 women in Alabama on suspicion or trumped up charges of trying to end their pregnancies or just having a natural miscarriage. Usually because the women took something the War on Drugs disapproves of. ( PhRMA is OK, tho)
So, there’s another low/no risk batch of inmates for the private prisons to hold indefinitely while murderers and assaulters and serial killers, etc walk on probation cause they’re harder to deal with.
Ohh poor little piggies…just doin there jobs and taken orders to keep the family fed. What are they to do…it’s so hard busting down doors to terrorize people over a plant, and to shoot people because they wont heed our totalitarian commands, being coddled by the justice system, and armed to the teeth just like we were in the army.
Climate Change tops all of our other on going Human problems.
Did you watch the video, prohibitions create violence, Mexico has had more deaths in the last 10 years than all US casualties from ww2, the drug war affects all us, hinders modern medicine, creates a violent black market, a system of mass incarceration where black males are arrested and incarcerated at 7 times the rate of white males for non-violent drug crimes, creates a resentment of police that we see in society. This is not only the biggest issue of our time, it’s the biggest crime ever committed by the United states government, it’s our longest war a war against ourselves.
The war on drugs excaserbated all the problems it was intended to fix and made some new ones.
Also ending the drug war help reduce climate change, Google climate change war on drugs
End the war on drugs
Cops aren’t net victims of the drug war. They’re net beneficiaries. Besides, nobody forces them to remain in a job that requires them to assault, arrest, or kill people for what are by and large victimless crimes (an oxymoron).
I agree with you 100% and “net beneficiaries” is the perfect term to desrcibe it.
My point is that when stuff like this happens we don’t go out and protest the federal goverbments policy, the war on drugs created this system of mass incarceration that is protected by the police state. This cop will go to jail and he should, but it won’t change a thing till the majority of us wake up to the reality of the war on drugs. People on the comments are even saying the Feds should do something, there the ones who created his mess with there policies, the police force was nationalized with the drug war by them. We need to recognize this to change anything, vote only for candidates that promise to end the war on drugs.
So even charitably we have what appears to be a very ordinary aiding and abetting, conspiracy, etc, by officialdom. Someone ought to be prodded by the media to continue this investigation.
Saw the movie Spotlight this past weekend and I am amazed at how these high level cover-ups are so very, very similar. The Catholic Church and, so it seems, far too many police departments, fail their responsibility for due diligence when hiring (or ordaining) and then refuse to admit to their hiring or ordaining failures. So we continue to see dead and psychologically damaged young people and no one is held accountable for continuing to employ these monsters. We need some tigers like those portrayed in the movie to get to the truth about this cover-up and rid the systems of the enablers.
This is disgusting. It’s time to end the Chicago Police State or see the people of this great city turn it into ashes one more time.
And this time Mrs Leary’s cow will not be involved
The cops involved all the way up to the mayor need to be charged with conspiracy/accessory after the fact. they lied about the facts and tried to cover up a muuuuuurder. If civilians did this they would all go down but somehow people entrusted by the public to enforce and uphold the law get a pass when they break it… unacceptable. This is the problem in all police precincts. A crackdown on local cops/civ leadership needs to come from the feds and it better come soon or you will see Ferguson/Baltimore in more cities and much worse.
African American Men Were Always A Victim
And the women as well.
See we know the truth and its sad
this has been happening in Chicago for the longest time Remember 1968 Democratic Convention??? Those were actual Police Riots!!!!!
Yup. I remember it well. I also remember how they blamed the hippies
Yea they did! We wanted Love and Peace. Still do. Why would that frighten strong men?
Because they can’t make $$$ off it AND they don’t know what it is. They think it’s “weakness”
How is this not the front page headline of every newspaper in the USA?
How the heck did Rahm the fascist Emanuel ever get re-elected? Rahm as Obama’s chief of staff explains why Obama shifted so far to the right in his 1st term and lied to us about the needed changes he would enact.
Rahm needs to resign – there is no excuse for this latest racist act by him and his staff!
You might note that many “elections” have had surprising results in America here lately.
Some might even call our election system “rigged”.
And yeah, I always figured Rahm was CoS to keep Obama on the Neo Liberal straight and narrow and got that plum job for his great work.
Rahm also helped Bush ram a bunch of “trade” deals through during the last year of W’s regime.
Who knows what the guy really wants except more power.
Then, there’s his dual citizenship with Israel.
That man shouldn’t be anywhere near “public” office
Cop did not “empty his service revolver” as no revolver can hold 16 rounds of ammunition. “Revolver” should be “pistol”, “gun”, or “firearm” I think for the dramatic flair you could could add the modifiers “semi-automatic, magazine fed” if you want to spice it up a little bit to make the gun sound as bad as possible. Your lingo for police weapons is at least 20 years out of date, if not 30.
On another note, good cops need to quit protecting bad cops. The bad cops threaten the lives of the people in the community that the good cops are trying to protect.
I also think looking for reform in Chicago is a lost hope. The politicians that you keep voting for are corrupt and you know they are corrupt, the whole country knows they are corrupt and will do whatever will keep themselves in power including covering up a murder.
I noticed the revolver description also, likely the writer simply isn’t familiar with firearms. If cops want to protect criminal cops, fine, but have them charged with accessory and aiding and abetting every time they do and watch that come to a screeching halt.
I agree. They should have an obligation to intervene in any crime in progress, even if it’s one of their own. And they should be held to a higher standard if they witness something and do nothing – contributing to the cover up.
Cops who protect “bad cops” aren’t “good cops.”
You know so much about guns! That gun information on guns really moved the conversation forward on this murder.
It’s a point of inaccuracy, which weakens the writer’s credibility to present accurate, factual information. What other “minor” detail did they miss, or fail to report?
Maybe McDonald really lived!
“no revolver can hold 16 rounds of ammunition.”
That is not true, although I don’t know of any police force in the US that would allow its officers to carry a revolver with a capacity of 16 or more bullets.
In any event, it is safe to say that the writer doesn’t know much about guns.
Two questions that definitely need to be answered, 1. why didn’t the DA immediately arrest and charge the cop, she had the video. 2. why hasn’t there been an investigation and charges against all involved who conspired to cover up this murder. This prosecutor should not survive this criminal coverup without at least being fired and permanently disbarred, minimum. She should be charged along with the rest of the cops who were involved in the coverup with criminal conspiracy to hide a murder.
You forgot the mayor.
If he saw the video then he should be charged with at least dereliction of duty. But then again the Chicago electorate who voted for him should be declared incompetent.
Adding the mayor. Beeeeeeeeep.
Jim, they thought they had this thing all wrapped up after the settlement with the family.
Surprise surprise surprise, now, if they can just keep the corrupt DA from throwing the case which you can be sure she’ll do if given half a chance.
“Never let a crisis”…….you know the rest.
I think he cioned that little aphorism
Nope. It was Churchill.
All involved should be fired. And the public should except no less.
Or better yet how’s about they face criminal charges for the crimes they committed and get fired?
I’m down with that.
I don’t know Why Rahm’s behavior should shock anyone. He’s been doing it since he was in the Federal government.
Rahm is a total DINO. Look up DINO in the dictionary and there’s his picture
Service revolver? Do reporters even try to get facts about firearms correct?
Why do you care so much about the gun?
He only cares about poking holes, any hole he can in the story, to divert attention. Period.
Listen up, Dummy, because you obviously need someone to explain what is going on here.
No holes have been poked. Some people, myself included, have clarified the writer’s account by pointing out that there is an error present in his reporting because he doesn’t know the difference between a revolver and a semi auto, period, end of story.
We care because it is sloppy journalism.
Yep, that is right. First you have writers calling semi autos, “revolvers,” and next you have them calling AR-15’s, “assault weapons,” and/or, “machine guns,” or calling magazines, “clips,” and vice versa.
I’ll tell you what. I propose that maxi pads and tampons be sold in plain white sealed boxes labeled simply as, “tampons.” After all, I’m a guy, so why should I care or even know the difference between the two?
If it were a story about someone being murdered, I wouldn’t care if they were tampons or toilet paper. Don’t worry about the gun. The gun is fine. Is that what you wanted to hear?
If we allow ignorant people to distort facts, such as calling McDonald’s gun a, “revolver,” a semi auto soon becomes a revolver in the narrative, which coupled with McDonald firing 16 shots, leads anyone with half a brain to conclude that he must have fired off all of his revolver’s rounds, then reloaded and fired off all of his rounds again, then reloaded and fired off four more rounds.
Similarly, if a small child in the care of a teenage male babysitter chokes to death on toilet paper, that child’s parents might not find as much fault with the sitter as they would if they were to discover that the child choked on a tampon, especially if the mother is the only female living in the home, and she uses maxi pads exclusively.
Then again, in your world there is no difference between the parents being told that their child choked upon toilet paper, and being told that their child choked upon a tampon, while someone like me, on the other hand, might decide that the fact that the child choked on a tampon warrants the questioning of the babysitter as to whether he had a female companion in the house while the parents were gone, and to wonder whether he had been watching the child as he was hired to do, or whether he was otherwise engaged while the child was choking to death.
In other words, this is why people like you have difficulty winning a game of checkers, while people like me win regularly playing three-dimensional chess.
Because the shots don’t add up 16
Most cops carry small 9mm or .40 a gun that has a small magazine. Did the cop reload and continue to shoot? Did another cop shoot as well? Was the cop using something other than a department issued weapon?
All valid questions considering someone was murdered.
No. No. No.
Your right. We should definitely focus on the name for the officer’s gun, instead of the fact that the officer used that gun to shoot an unarmed man 16 times. Good call!
I don’t think he’s necessarily trying to divert intention. Reporters need to get the facts right. It doesn’t change the more important facts about this and other police violence cases, but encountering basic errors like this makes it more difficult to read an article and trust it.
Everyone on earth knows that police officers guns are commonly referred to as service revolvers, whether or not they’re actually revolvers anymore.
I have never heard of any such convention before. I thought that people said “service weapon” or “service pistol” instead. If something isn’t a revolver, I don’t think it should be called one. Do a web search for “service revolver” and tell me what you see. I see the Wikipedia article for “service pistol” and a bunch of references to actual revolvers.
I don’t want to have a lengthy discussion on this; I assumed I wouldn’t be challenged on something so basic and objective. So if you don’t have a credible source, feel free to just leave the discussion here.
No… semi autos are referred to as, “service weapons.”
They’re all service revolvers to me, gun nut.
I dont think understanding the facts on weapons makes some a “gun nut” there are a lot of question to be answered with the 16shots. A typical service weapon is going to be a .40caliber pistol or 9mm, these two pistols only hold 7-8 rounds when fully loaded. Which makes me wonder :
was this cop using a larger magazine then given to him by the department?
Did he use two full magazines of ammunition, meaning did he reload??
Did a fellow officer unload his rounds as well?
Was the officer not using his department issue weapon and using a personal one?
Doesn’t change the fact that this was murder, but it does bring up some questions. Why did the cop have 16 rounds in his gun? He would have needed parts other than what came with the gun.
I get your point. I listened to the DA’s press conference yesterday and she said that the officer had a gun with a capacity of 16 rounds, and he emptied it. She also commented that he started shooting 6 seconds after getting out of the car and the entire shooting was over within 13 or 14 seconds. I doubt that she would have those facts wrong. The question about what the journalist calls the weapon seems irrelevant and is being perceived as a distraction and a ‘way out’ for the officer when, in fact, it’s irrelevant.
That said, I now understand the question based on someone only receiving info through this article. I heard most of the story directly from the DA’s mouth.
The DA also confirmed that only one officer of the 8 ( I believe) on the scene who opened fire. She also said that another officer told him to hold his fire while he kicks the knife away.
Where do you people come from?
The Glock 17 is the most commonly-deployed law enforcement weapon in the world, and has a standard magazine capacity of 17, 9mm rounds.
So can I assume that you refer to your toaster as a, “rotisserie oven?”
Ignorance is not something to be proud of, so instead of spending so mcuh energy in an attempt to remain ignorant, why don’t you go to Google and educate yourself with respect to the definition of a, “revolver.”
I want to draw your attention to the fact that another reporter said that the cop jumped out of his police car and started shooting. Can you believe that guy? He called it a police ‘car’!!! When it was actually a mid sized SUV! Don’t let them get away with it! Go and cast your doubt on the entire article and correct the record! Not only is it an SUV, but it Lso, clearly, has 4 wheel drive!!
While it is a specific type of weapon, revolver has been used for a long time as a general term for a gun. Language is fluid, and not dense, unlike some.
“Revolver,” has only ever been used as a general term for, “gun,” by people who don’t know what they are talking about.
It’s good to know that facts don’t matter to intellectually-lazy people like you.
the citys`s police chief and mayor rahm must resign, plain and simple.
The mayor specifically stated yesterday that he had not viewed the video. Are you kidding me? LIE….
The mayor is acting like a gang leader…his Commissioner and DA are acting like his lieutenants. Their corner boy(VanDyke) is going to bring all of them down. Rahm will not survive this incident. Neither will his lieutenants. VanDyke will see to that.
The Whole demented right wing is acting exactlly the same. Atrocious! Wake up before someone shoots you!
Rahm is not a right winger, sadly he is acting like a a stupid thug anyway. Charge everyone up the chain, including the mayor with obstruction of justice and conspiracy.
“unloaded his service revolver”?
“forget it…he’s rolling…”
A revolver typically holds 6 shots. That would require 2 reloadings. It is plausible that a 9mm sei-automatic pistol could have a 16 round magazine.
That would be scary. The officer shot the unarmed man, emptied his revolver, then reloaded, shot and emptied his revolver again, reloaded a second time, and shot him some more, just in case.
According to the da’s press conference, his revolver had 16 round capacity and it was emptied on the teen.
A couple of us addressed this yesterday. It was not a revolver. It was a semi-auto pistol. For those who don’t know the difference, you can find an explanation here:
Yes, there are such things as high-capacity revolvers, but they are for the most part novelties, and I would bet that no police force in the U.S. would sanction their use by its officers.
Who cares if it’s the reporter called it a service revolver vs a service pistol! Does that change what happened? Didn’t think so.
Why not say that Laquan’s soul was seen floating off to heaven as harps and trumpets were heard in the distance? After all, it wouldn’t change what happened, and it might even bring a much-needed smile to a simple-minded person such as yourself.
Go stand in traffic.
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Did you notice how the driver veered his squad car once the cop started to shoot, like he was trying to avoid the recording of the execution. Every single cop presence at the moment of the shooting should had been charged with accessory to murder. It is very clear that it was a big cover from top to bottom.
This is a good example on how corrupt is Chicago (the most corrupt city in U.S in the 3rd most corrupt state). Take a look at the most recently headlines: Chicago Public Schools CEO found guilty for corruption; 1/3 of Chicago city workers made $100K or more last year thanks to insane overtime paid. And the list goes on.
Great observation, similar to the one where the kid was killed for “flashing his brights” when the cop deployed his taser he also turns his body so the body cam can’t see the taser being fired.
I am so tired of the ‘not all cops are bad’ bullshit. This is going on and others on the force are allowing these things to happen.
This is exactly what I was saying to a coworker. They only made it worse by trying to cover it up. Haven’t they learned the truth always comes out and only makes it worse once it does?
After having the secret police exposed they should know that no one trusts them anymore to do the right thing for the people. They are a criminal force in Chicago and the whole institution needs to be undone and rebuilt from the top down. More people need to be charged with this cover up.
Sadly this case proves, that the truth rarely comes out, and cover-ups are the norm in Chicago.
Chicago and all across this country!
Over 40 years later and the systemic factors of the war on drugs are still playing out.
The cover up is nothing unusual, after all, its been going on for centuries w/law enforcement. We forget about the cops (Chicago) that beat out confessions during the 60’s. Press did a lousy job on that one too. The bigger questions about this cover up, why did the family only settle for 5M? Not saying they could have gotten some huge settlement wo/a court case, but 5M???
The following article shows the depth of police insanity: http://bigbudsmag.com/marijuana-growers-always-known-american-police-control/
Obama’s BFF the mayor is a corrupt, evil man. The Chicago PD has been corrupt and evil for decades. The mainstream media helped cover this story. It took a progressive “left” journalist to do the job a real journalist is to do. He should get a Pulitzer. All the police officers and bureaucrats who covered this up should go to jail, and the murderous cop should be executed.
Please leave Obama out of this. This is about an execution, a cover-up – and the VERY FIRST WORD in your reply is “Obama”. Sweet Jesus.
Obama and his lackey Rahm are integral to the story of corruption of Chicago government that includes the cover-up. Many black leaders and others note that even though Obama was a Chicago civil rights attorney, he’s done little to focus on the terrible police corruption and black on black violence of his former home city. You should learn to read an entire comment before you go off.
Uh huh. No way does Chicago have a reputation for corrupt city government going back a century. Obama, who never worked in Chicago government, is “integral” its story because he’s friends with the guy who’s been mayor for the last 4 years.
Integral Schmintegral. My post was not me “going off”, btw. And is Obama only going to focus only on his “former home city”? No, he can do little as POTUS for it. What do they expect him to do? With all the layers of government there, why are they looking to him, halfway across the country? You just wanted to get an Obama dig in there somehow, that’s all, under the cover of what other people have said about him. If Obama was as “integral” as you claim, he’d be woven throughout your initial comment instead of just Emmanuel being his “BFF”.
Both of you are children. Barry doesn’t make any of his own decisions. He’s a manufactured stooge puppeteered from above, or do you think that people simply come out of nowhere only to find themselves sitting on thrones?
Booor – riiinnng! Yeah, he came from nowhere, people fake-voted for him – twice -and here we are today. Magic!
Yeah, he decided that he was going to be the Democrat’s nominee and succeeded in winning over those who control the party so that they would be happy to make him the most powerful man in the world.
You’re a simpleton.
Oh, yeah, sorry. The PTB (Powers That Be) pick the Presidents, I forgot. Hillary ran in 2008, but They told her, “Waaaaiiit”. But she put up a good front, pretending to run against Obama The Chosen One, as did all the other candidates for both elections.
So who did they pick for 2016? Any ideas?
Jeb and Hillary. They own Cruz’s wife, so he could be a last-minute substitution for the Republicans. Look for Trump to drop out as soon as there is no remaining chance for Rand to gain any traction.
You’re welcome for the crystal-ball reading. Now use it to your advantage, or go back to sleep.
As for Barry Whatshisname, yeah, you’re right, he decided that he was going to be president and made it happen, because that’s just what people with dubious backgrounds do naturally. After all, everyone knows that each party’s political machinery just opens itself up and hands over its top spot to whomever wants it the most.
Hey great, thanks for the info!
You’re right. Barry orchestrated the following with the help of the Choom Gang:
Hey, you know what? I’ll give you one: Bush. Both elections. Even the Supreme Court got involved in the first one.
And I’ll give you one: JFK, compliments of Daley’s Chicago Machine.
Go back to your cave
The politicians of today enlist police endorsements and they protect each other. Think police state.
This will only get worse unless the public becomes informed, involved and votes corrupt officials out of office.
Anyone have a link to the actual police report? I’ve seen several articles accusing CPD of a cover-up, but so far all have conflated the narrative of the FOP, a police union, with the CPD. The FOP provides attorneys for LEOs and the majority of these attorneys represent these officers in cases against their departments. In other words, the departments are often vigilant in policing themselves, and the FOP represents officers against these efforts. The “shot in the chest” detail, to my knowledge, comes from the FOP. Given the fact that the officers on scene gave accurate accounts of the shooting (from what I’ve read) I think it’s prudent to seek more information before accusing CPD of a cover-up. Based on the details I’ve seen, the most parsimonious explantion to me is that CPD and the DA were investigating the case, but this investigation was slowed by the FOP’s involvement from the start as well as concerns about PR. Certainly it’s been poorly handled, but “cover-up,” based on the info available so far, is reckless and undermines public safety by creating the impression of widespread collusion and corruption. That said, I would like to know more about the BK CCTV and how that footage was mis/handled
Sounds like the FOP should be charged with RICOH statutes, as they are organized and committing crimes, and enabling officers to continue to commit crimes. RICOH has TEETH, use it.
Actually, RICOH makes copiers, RICO has teeth.
How do you explain erasing video from BK? That has been confirmed. If you’re gathering evidence for an “investigation, why do you destroy video evidence?
This does more than create the impression of widespread collusion and corruption, this confirms it. The reason police all over this country have been able to get away with this type of abuse for centuries is that there are those who refuse to accept that cops don’t always do what they’re supposed to do and abuse their power. And there’s a culture of cover up and secrecy. And they wonder where the gang members get their no snitch policy…
Register to vote. Then vote these corrupt officials out of office. Support a reform candidate. This corruption is systemic.
Disturbing on so many levels. It really raises the question if government serves the people anymore. Such a systemic breakdown of due process really suggests that the entire system, cops on the street, their supervisors, DA and even local government conspire to systemically undermines the peoples rights. The sad part is…I am shocked but nor surprised.
Start by charging every SINGLE ONE of the officers present with obstruction of justice, and conspiracy to commit murder, and proceed up the chain from there. It’s really quite simple for anyone concerned with justice.
I agree. All of the officers on the scene who saw what happened should be charged with a cover up. If they saw a citizen roll up and gun someone down, they would arrest if not kill that individual. They didn’t take action to protect their own.
every person involved in this attemped coverup should be indicted. It is obvious that CPD and the ptosecutors office tried to hide this cold blooded killing by one of their own. Before we solve problems in other countries.how about solving them at home. Get these murderous cops off the force
The Department of Justice needs to establish a database of all police shootings. Full stop. That’s the only way to study patterns of police brutality and weed out police officers inclined to abuse their authority.
I am so sick and tired of the foolishness going on in this country. From corruption on Wall street to Main street, killings, politician running with bigoted agenda and lying with false graphs, to cover ups of murders by “law enforcement,” giving of life sentences by corrupt judges for crimes that don’t warrent life sentencing, to sentencing youth by corrupt judges to fill prisons. America is dying! Yes, the America that was growing, had a surplus with Bill Clinton in office, people were working and the economy was booming. People greeted one another with respect as they passed on the street, now there is only contempt and scowls. No smiles or joy, only anger and frustration. Once again, the protest of the 50’s and 60’s have returned, due to the increase of racism. It truly breaks my heart to see the land that I have grown up in, destroy itself from within. No need for terrorist here. The destruction will come from those born and bred, filled with hate in their hearts and waving an American flag, claiming they want America “pure.” “Pure?” America is a rainbow of cultures, faiths and people. Wow! God help America! Please!
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln
This is a bit too far. You can’t use one incident or even several for that matter to classify the goings on of a country of over 300 million people. ‘America is dying’ is a sensationalist comment serving no other purpose than to be dramatic. America is not dying. I see wonderful acts of kindness everyday in my community and examples of how people of different backrounds are coming together for common good.
With 1100 people being killed by police in 2015 alone, babies being thrown from windows, children being murdered, even dismembered, you must be living in a bubble!
Nothing good comes out of Chicago these days. The video is very hard to take. Why can’t the police use mace or tasers or shoot criminals in the leg, if possible?
Police training is they should never fire their gun unless it is to protect their life, another’s life or to prevent serious bodily injury. Once it gets to that point, deadly force is approved.That’s why they don’t shoot to wound. In this case, with no one in danger, no one should have been using a gun. Period.
They are trained to use escalating force as needed, starting with the voice, then working its way up to baton, taser, pepper spray, then, only as a last resort, firearm. Its pretty hard to go through all those steps, when you are finished firing 16 shots 30 seconds after you arrive on the scene.
Theoretically, the policeman thought he was protecting his life from the charging victim armed with a knife. Given the instant reactions necessary, I think it would be good to program in a wounding.
Respectfully, just “Winging” them with a handgun (actually any kind of gun)
isn’t just hard, its virtually impossible. Its the stuff of movies and myths.
Take a penlight or laserpointer, Have a friend stand 15 feet away, facing you.
CAREFULLY, point the light, lets say, at his right thigh, halfway between his knee and hip. Have him slowly pivot to his right (on his right leg) try keeping the light,
Now have him pivot to the left. (on his left leg) try to stay on your target
(The Middle of the Right thigh)
Your calm, he’s moving Slowly . A little harder than it sounds, Huh ?
Imagine your scared at full speed.
They have very specific guidelines for use of deadly force. If you allow shooting of limbs you are giving a lot of leeway to one cop in how to exercise that force. Then what if a major artery is struct and someone you intended to subdue by “winging” them is bleeding out. Not the desired effect. This is why non-lethal force exists such as tasers or mace.
In this case, lethal force was not authorized. No video evidence presently exists showing McDonald acting in a manner to harm himself or others other than him walking in the middle of the road. If the 86 minutes of Burger King footage that was mysteriously deleted after detectives were allowed access to it showed behavior that warranted the use of deadly force we will never know.
The investigation will hopefully be broadened to include the response of investigating bodies and the department at large for its handling of this shooting. But I doubt it. Which is why civil disobedience is needed in these matters as it is the only why the people can respond to abuses of power at any level of government.
The guidelines on use of deadly force should be modified. For example, a good knife man can beat a pistol at 15 feet or less. Wounding can be dealt with and the victim saved. Not many people can be saved with 15 bullet holes throughout their body. My view on wounding is that it is not deadly force. My view on violent civil disobedience is that it rarely results in positive changes.
Richard, I’ve been a martial artist for 30 years and I agree with you that a good knife man ( I prefer stick weapons) can inflict serious damage even when faced with a weapon from 15 feet. The problem with this case is that the kid was likely not a “good knife man” at 17. Possible but not likely. He never took up an offensive or defensive stance. One hand remained in his pocket, which again does not indicate that he was “ready” for anything. The video clearly shows the sequence of events and the tragic aftermath. On the use of deadly force, I think there should be an independent review of every incident – for the rights of the cop and that of the deceased. I also believe there should be mandatory certification of officers in situational firearms use. Something like th pop-up target courses tha contain civilians and perps. No matter the previous character of the deceased, there have been too many incidents were police have been too quick on the trigger for non threatening situations.
Good thought. I think some instinctive training and adrenolin(sp) kick in for the police and they can react too quickly.
Most human beings aren’t “good knife people”. It is an intimate weapon and a wielder would be hard pressed to relinquish there weapon. A street full of cops would give me pause before I try and beat a gun. Knife to a gun fight and all that.
My original point stands. There is no way you can insure a through and through shot to an arm or leg. There is so much vasculuture. Any GSW to any body part has the inherent risk of death.
My point is that a leg wound is likely to be only a debilitating wound. 16 holes in the torso are 100% certain to be fatal.
One good thing did come out of Chicago with this case. That was the whistle blower who spoke up about the truth of what happened in this case. That person is likely involved in law inforcement or the medical examiners office. That person is a hero in my book. Why? Street gangs aren’t the only ones that follow the code ” snitches get stitches.” Police can be exceedingly fraternal. This brave person is going to have to look over his shoulder for a long time to protect his/her self and family.
I do find it troubling that the police might try and protect this fellow.
Enough with their GOD COMPLEX!! For eons police have gotten away with everything from common everyday harassment to cold blooded murder. I’m sick of the rotten apples (of which there are MANY) –HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE! I’m sorry for the good ones but these days the good ones are FAR AND FEW between. Root out the SCUM, treat people with respect and I guarantee you people will treat them with respect in return. Keep thinking you’re GOD? Keep on the path we’re on? I’m afraid society will devolve to a never ending series of heinous acts, black against white, white against black, police against everyone.
It would help if some of the “good” ones came out and condemned the bad ones. So far, crickets.
There needs to be a federal task force that is charged with investigating, charging and prosecuting all police shootings. The local police force CAN NOT be trusted to do the job. The local prosecutor CAN NOT be trusted to do the job.
This sounds like a “Mickey Spillane movie” where the corruption goes from the top down. The policeman that repeatedly shot Laquan McDonald couldn’t give the least damn about what he had done. He looks like a killer and I guarantee you that he has killed before this incident. He’s a killer. What I can’t understand is how although there was a conspiracy by many to conceal the murder
I think the real crime here is that Rham Emanual and others will walk. Obama will defend him. This was a murder that was covered up by paying the family 5 million to be quiet. The family allowed themselves to take the blood money. They could have sued after the video was forced to be released. Most cops do a good job and when the facts show a bad one they are usually convicted. BTW blocking the freeway is not called for and I for one would just force my way through as I would have the right of way. They should be sitting in the mayors office not the streets.
Do not drag the president into this vile”
Why not? This was his constituency when he was a senator.
Blocking the freeway is a sign of protest. You would absolutely not have a right to plow through the crowd. That would be considered murder if you did that and killed someone.
No…Obama will NOT defend him. Nice try.
Compare to the pay-off in Baltimore, which has compromised the police officers before they even got to court. Common factor? Democrats run both cities.
And don’t worry about the family. Once they have ploughed through the $5M, they likely will be back for a second helping.
In October 2014, Pat Camden, a spokesman for the Fraternal Order of Police, said “officers were forced to defend themselves” and shoot mcDonald. What is he saying now?
If we can get past the mindset that “its OK if a Cop does it” perhaps a few more folks will stay alive. All that crap above is aiding and abetting after the fact if you do it and so it should be if a Cop does it. Deleting video is evidence tampering and obstruction of justice if you do it and so it should be if a Cop does it.
We have to get past all this or Cops will be free to kill with impunity.
” Mayor Rahm Emanuel is now trying to frame the issue as the action of one bad officer, as the Tribune reports. “One individual needs to be held accountable,” he said Monday.” Uh, no….. He alone did not delete security footage, lead to a $5 million settlement, hiding of the video, etc. More need to be fired, charged with accessory to murder.
Don’t forget obstruction of justice charges as well.
Chicago has been under the control of the Democratic party for eons. How’s that hope and change working out now? Time to throw out the Democrats and vote in a Republican, it certainly couldn’t be worse than the corruption that has metastasized throughout Chicago politics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a Republican vs. Democrat thing. Cops kill innocent people (or at least people who did not deserve to die) in Republican-controlled areas too. This is a problem with police, perhaps with government in general.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt. The big scandal arising from this murder is the cover-up and why. This is corruption, plain and simple, coming from the Democrats that rule Chicago.
I didn’t say it’s not corruption, and I’m not in denial about the problem of police violence. I just don’t have your partisan agenda. This isn’t about Republicans and Democrats.
Yes, it’s corruption, plain and simple. AND it cuts across party lines. It’s an US vs. THEM mentality that is not limited to Democrats. It occurs in law enforcement everywhere.
Most of the shootings around the country by police are a direct result
Of the war on drugs, black males are incarcerated at 7 times the rate as white males
Your right, It’s a systemic factor of the war on drugs.
Police officers tend to be conservative and vote Republicans. Things would probably have been worse under a Republican administration.
In Chicago, the Irish and Black cops are union goons who vote for those who will take your money and funnel it into their pockets, i.e., they vote Democrat. Not that it matters though, because even if most Chicago police did vote Republican, their votes would probably wind up going to the Democrats anyway.
Then why is this not happening more in places that are under Republican administrations?
I can’t think of a story off the top of my head where this has happened in a town dominated by Republicans. Can you think more than one third the number of times this has happened where the Democrats are in charge?
You already posted that bull and it still stinks as much as the first time you posted it.
mark, stop trying to place blame and instead help come up with a solution.
This is a systematic problem that has plagued this nation from its inception and has nothing to do with political parties. In fact, things would be much worse under a Republican government. Despite their never ending criticism of the federal government, they somehow seem to have developed an aversion to criticizing local governments- especially police officers. They would justify these actions to the bitter end. And you know it.
Then why is this mostly happening in towns dominated by Democratic politicans?
I can’t think of a story off the top of my head where this has happened in a town dominated by Republicans. Can you?
Are you really that monumentally ignorant to say these things are not happening under a Republican government? The reason you can’t think of a story “off of the top of your head” is because their are no brains underneath it.
Here are two Mark – (1) Indianapolis has a Republican mayor. Police officers there killed Andre Green and claimed “self defense”. (2) Miami has a Republican mayor. The justice Department investigated the Miami police and a few years ago and found that they “engaged in a pattern or practice of excessive use of force through officer-involved shootings in violation of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution.” Most states in the South have Republican governors. And yes there is police corruption and violence in the South…It’s not the parties, it’s the system. The Democrats and Republicans uphold the same corrupt system.
I think you meant that Democrats or Republicans should uphold the same NON-corrupt system. I get your point though. Blaming one party or another is just political masturbation and falls short of solving the problem.
One of the first reasons that this does not happen as frequently in places dominated by Republicans is that generally blacks vote for Democrats. Moreover, Democrats are concentrated in the cities where police forces are seen most frequently. Just because a Republican, however, is not leading a specific face does not mean that they do not influence it. Republicans, as a whole, are the ones who encourage the War in Iraq, the War in Afghanistan, and these wars have had a major impact on the training our police officers get and the violence seen in the world. Beyond this, a way racism has been perpetuated by the police force is the Stop-and-Frisk that began in New York under a police comissioner that was appointed by a Republican, Giuliani. It is not about someones political party because there will be Republicans and Democrats on the wrong side (and hopefully the right side) of this issue. It is about the ISSUE and how they address that, not which party they align with during an election.
Hey Nutty Bernstein….what the eff does Afghanistan have to do with Chicago?
does Chicago have alot of Afghan rebels running around??
I would call you ignorant but that would be giving you too much credit
I believe Natty is using the examples of the wars in Afghanistan – and particularly Iraq, ( my two cents) as examples of the egregious corruption of Republicans in exploiting a national tragedy to push America into two expensive deficit busting wars. So,it appears neither party has a monopoly on high morals…or corruption. The Chicago PD won’t get fixed by getting in another political party. It will take a leader that knows law enforcement, not politics. Of course, we could go on and continue taking the “blue pill”, but we’ll be stuck in that illusory view voting in a Dem or a Rep is the answer.
Chicago has been under complete Democratic control for many, many, decades (century+?). No republicans involved in this Democratic Utopia.
You have a short memory. Bush 43’s administration was one the most corrupt administrations in US history.
Hey Mark. Remember that little problem in Jefferson City, Mo.? Remember the black guy who was gunned down in cold blood? That was done when there was a Republican Mayor, and all of the state representatives that came from Jefferson City were Republicans. And the corruption within the Jefferson City police department was so suspect that the state police had to be called in to restore as sense of order. Look it up.
re: “t. Despite their never ending criticism of the federal government, they somehow seem to have developed an aversion to criticizing local governments”
Absurd! You never heard a Republican criticize Ram Emmanuel? You never heard a Republican criticize Mariom Barry? You never heard a Republican criticize Bill de Blasio?
Now, I know you are either making stuff up or you suffer from extreme confirmation bias – a.k.a selective memory.
I’m referring to state and local police, who are government workers- not Politicians. Try to keep up.
REALLY? then why are the most violent cities in America run by the democratic politicians which have instituted the most stringent gun laws??
how are those gun laws working in Chicago and Detroit?
Yes, really. Chicago’s gun laws were gutted by the right wing supreme Court a couple of years ago, genius.
Carol Kirschbaum’s point is the only one that is empirical. The rest of you are talking out of your . . . . !
Yes it could. Yes it could.
This is NOT about a political party. This is about a system problem that has been notorious in Chicago for decades. DECADES! Sadly this type of thing happens and it doesn’t matter what political party the city government falls under.
and why Ylanda have you and other upstanding citizens of Chicago not fixed the system problem?
oh that’s right…you keep voting in the people mainly responsible for these problems because they keep giving you free stuff and blaming the republicans or conservatives for the problems.
it most certainly IS about a political party.
Carol, Carol, Carol. This is a Democrat problem? Really? The only thing that has matastasized is the blindness to the lie that one party is more or less guilty of corruption than the other . In fact, time and again when one party gets on its high horse to accuse the other of corruption, it’s a case of “he who smelled it dealt it!” No it’s about the dark side of the thin blue line that is supposed to serve and protect. There are many good cops, but sadly the are subject to a culture of silence in the face of police wrong doing. Sometimes it tacit department corruption. Other times it’s fear of fellow officers, especially troubling since your life may depend on back-up of another cop. Ironically, some police departments have a street gang mentality. That is “snitches get stitches.” That’s not political. That’s sick.
And you think that the Republican Party in Chicago is one iota less corrupt? Oh, my, child. Can you count the fingers on your hands?
WHAT Republican party in Chicago – THERE IS NONE.
The cold blooded murder of this young man is reprehensible on so many levels and demands justice on every level. First why did Alverez take so long to indict, her response is lacking credibility or honesty, and was it more to guarantee the Mayor’s re-election, knowing well the repercussions resulting to the release of the video would work against the Mayor? Second, why are the officers who participated in the falsification of reports not indicted for obstruction of justice, let alone violations of police procedure? Finally, who are the officers who went to the Burger King and deleted the video footage and why are they not indicted for the criminal act of evidence tampering and obstruction of justice? The stench and rot emanating from the collusion in the DA’s office are overwhelming. In their open connection with the CPD, the DA’s office is not benefiting the public trust, but it is a failure and sets in place distrust and corruption on all levels from the Mayor’s office down.« less
I remember all the cop apologists saying, “If a man lunges at a cop while holding a knife, he is going to be shot”. Self defense and fearing for your life is an acceptable reason to shoot someone in my opinion. However, merely claiming an act was performed under those circumstances is not acceptable if it is a lie.
Every time we hear of another cop murdering someone, we hear about the cop being accused numerous times of excessive force or civil rights violations, EVERY TIME. We also hear the the cop was deemed to be justified in his actions EVERY TIME. Now, if a suspect that has just been killed by a cop has even the slightest encounter with a police officer, we hear about it. We get to hear about how the police knew the deceased person and knew he was a troublemaker. We hear about the deceased being arrested numerous time, but quite often they are nothing but arrests. They are not convictions, but they are portrayed as though they are.
It’s called blame the victim. Often this tactic is used to suggest that because the deceased had a past, that was justification for the police shooting them in a completely unrelated encounter. We should all be so perfect, right!
If you feel compelled to wonder why the FBI hasn’t jumped in, you might want to think again. The FBI has the same kind of record with its internal investigations. Nearly ALL investigations into FBI wrongdoing are whitewashed.
I refuse to believe that a Glock 22 in the hands of a professional police officer VS. a small knife in the hands of a kid = “I feared for my life.” This excuse to kill a citizen should never be acceptable in any moral, rational universe.
I guess you haven’t seen the video out of Brazil, where the guy with a knife attacks SEVERAL armed officers, killing one and severely injuring a couple others before they are finally able to stop him?
Was the guy in Brazil walking away from the cops while engaging in all that carnage?
Christofloridian – my thought exactly!
I have seen the video, both actually, and you comparing the two as though they were even remotely equal in scope is ludicrous.
The only thing that’s ludicrous is your reading comprehension. My comment had nothing to do with this particular case. My comment was in regards to the OP’s first sentence.
No, we didn’t see that obscure incident with no relationship to this video. The boy here in Chicago was walking away and there was no imminent action that suddenly required 16 rounds to fly off. The cop must have been passed that the call interrupted his lunch.
Not to mention the fact that there were at least 8 officers, all with guns, on the scene at that point! And yet this ‘cop’ feared for his life to such an extent that he unloaded 16 rounds into a 17 year old while he was walking away. I’m just lucky I didn’t run into this guy when I was 17 or I’d probably be dead too.
Watch any episode of ‘Cops’. . .suspect on ground, hands visible and outstretched, cop beating the bejesus out of him while shouting “stop resisting, stop resisting”. Any doubt about how police training goes as far as legalities are concerned? Or how it feeds law enforcement officer’s attitudes?
Sixteen rounds? Sixteen? That is just blood lust, not defense.
Perhaps any settlements should come from the police departments budget, with that budget loss passed on to all the staff of the department. That is what happens when a corporation employee screws up and every employee and stockholder pays a price.
These stories make America look like a Banana Republic. I was born in the Third World, where stories like this are commonplace. But for this level of corruption and illegality to be blatantly perpetuated indicates there is an exaggeration of the differences between the developing and advanced societies. These stories clearly show that America has a deep and disturbing problem with the policing system.
Why is the officer the only one being charged? Is there no other culpability in this matter besides that of the officer? I think there is and I think that all the others will get away scot free because the district attorney is unlikely to charge the others with obstruction of justice.
It seems stuff like this is becoming a pattern with police across the country! No wonder the general public do not trust the police. I for one will go out of my way from being around any police. Police are armed THUGS !! All involved in this need to be charged with conspiracy! The feds need to be brought in to investigate.
It’s not so much becoming a pattern as it has been the way police business is conducted as usual–only now we’re all getting to see it.
Even as a white, middle-aged male — arguably the least oppressed demographic there is — I have long ago stopped believing in the police as a beneficent group. I overheard a conversation between two cops that brought me chills and made me realize that while I might likely ever be the direct recipient of an injustice of the sort in this article or even something that didn’t take my life, if I in fact were, that the cops simply would not tell the truth. I do believe that all cops are trained to lie if one of of their own commits any crime. Since traffic cops now essentially entrap people for simple speeding by pulling them over in unmarked cars, it is clear that cops are not community policers, available in identifiable cars to speak with —- they are just paid thugs, armed enforcers of a state that becomes increasingly corrupt with each day. I once used to say hi to cops on the street or salute them at a four -corner stop and wave them through ahead of me even though I had the right of way. Not anymore. Just another govt group to be especially wary of.
My uncle and brother were both cops who served honorably. However, as black Americans, they were wary of fellow officers, especially in off duty or plain clothes settings. Too many officers, especially in urban areas, practice “demographic policing.” It’s a shame. It creates unnecessary mistrust between the officers and the communities that they are supposed to protect. Alas, not everyone has the disposition to wear a badge.
Even all this information posted by the Chicago Reporter is incomplete. Because another disturbing fact about the Chicago Police Department, in regards to the murder of #LaquanMcDonald, is that they erased about 86 minutes’ worth of footage about the incident: https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/950718308300421/
They did mention the Burger King footage, with a link.
Yes it does say that, and very clearly.
This incident shatters the idea that the majority of cops are good. There were 8 cops on the scene and not one of them thought this was bad. 100% of these cops, through their silence, agreed with what took place. Additional cops sought out and hid video from the nearby Burger KIng. The States Attorney suppressed the evidence. She hoped this would go away. The whole system is corrupt and when this country is compared to China and Russia as well as third world dictatorships, I wonder where the difference is.
It is possible that one of them thought this bad. There is one brave person on the inside that blew the whistle on these crimes.
What is at least as troubling as what this says about the cops, though, is that this coverup would have succeeded if this one honorable person had not done the right thing. A lot of heads better roll over this one.
This was not a cop that came foward. It was a city employee in some other capacity than the police. The police probably never saw the video. The cops are a blue gang that doesn’t “snitch” on their other gang members. They must get fired and fired and replaced until they get the message that their job is to serve (assist) and protect. Not to intimidate and brutalize.
Let’s remember folks, this is CHICAGO. Of course the system is corrupt – its CHICAGO. Let’s not extrapolate to the entire US because of something we have known for decades but conveniently ignored – CHICAGO is totally corrupt, through and through. And what corrupt organization runs CHICAGO? Why the same one that plucked a slick-talking community organizer from CHICAGO and made him the “chosen one”. How’s that working out, anyway?